visas

Alma’s visa was delivered on Saturday. Now that the process is done, I feel like I can talk about it some more.

She applied for a visa interview appointment in March. It was scheduled for mid-September. The wait times at the embassy in Mexico City are really that long.

When the appointment came closer, I asked an immigration expert I know for help. Her advice was invaluable. We also got two letters of support: one from my dad and one from my brother’s rep in Congress. The letter from the representative was sent directly to the embassy. I do not know whether it was received or whether it had an impact.

I went with Alma to the appointment at the embassy. It was at 7:30. We arrived just after 7:00, and there were literally hundreds of people waiting outside. Adjacent to the embassy is a side street which was cordoned off. Entrance to the interview area was via that street. People were allowed in in groups, based on their scheduled interview times. We waited a while under a tarp that’s set up. There were signs saying that photographs of the embassy are prohibited.

Smaller - but still large - groups were called to another waiting area. There there were periodic announcements about how certain items may not be brought inside, that if your application has two or more errors adiós, and so on. Some staff were available to answer last-minute questions about forms and to do crowd control. They were not friendly. When you got one’s attention, you could ask a question. After answering curtly they’d wander off, so you had to say “Wait please, I have another question.”

Eventually Alma’s group was allowed into the actual interview area. I was not allowed in as I didn’t have an appointment, and especially because - I was told - I’m a US citizen. I could see inside for a moment; there were portraits of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and Tony Garza. The decor was typical of US government facilities: ugly and dated looking. I left, ate breakfast, and waited for Alma.

Finally she was done, told me she got it, and we went to have breakfast. She had her forms and supporting documentation with her, but wasn’t asked to show most of it. She never had a chance to present the letter that my dad wrote. There was little privacy during the interviews. She overheard interviews that took place before hers, including a denial.

Well, she didn’t get it that day; it had been approved, but it would take several weeks for the actual visa to be delivered. That finally happened on Saturday.

Tips for Mexicans who want visas to visit the United States.

These apply specifically for Mexicans who want to get a B2 tourist visa. Maybe they’re relevant for other classes of visa, or for people from other countries seek visas, but I do not know.

When you apply for a visa to visit the US, there are several things that your assessor will want to see. Two are no-brainers: they want to know that you’re not a terrorist and they want to know that you’re not a criminal. What’s less obvious, but just as important, is that they want to know that you have ties to Mexico and that, at the end of each stay, you will promptly return to Mexico. Intention is impossible to prove for any reasonable definition of “prove”, of course, so instead they look at indicators. If you’re an adult, you had better be employed or retired. And if employed, the longer at the same place the better. You’ll want a letter from your employer, stating your position, how much you make, etc. They’ll want to see evidence of a bank account, which hopefully has a significant amount of money in it. If you own property, you should prove that. Etc.

They might ask you domain-specific questions about your work. For instance, Alma, who works as a webmaster, was asked what programming languages she uses. I imagine that they have canned questions of a similar nature for other professions: a mechanic may be asked what kind of cars he specializes in fixing; maybe doctors are asked in what field of medicine they practice, etc. I do not believe that your specific answers matter. Rather, what matters is your ability to answer them confidently. A “doctor” who says “uhh, I, like, you know, help sick kids and stuff” won’t look nearly as legit as one who says right off the bat that he is a paediatrician.

During your interview, answer honestly. Don’t equivocate. [Una nota para hispanoparlantes leyendo éste: “to equivocate” no significa lo mismo que “equivocar”, sino “dar evasivas”. No lo hagas.] When filling out your application, there will likely be some ambiguous questions. Either answer to the best of your ability, or leave them blank in the hope that while you’re waiting outside the embassy, the staff can help you. The staff isn’t friendly or very helpful, but if you can get and hold their attention, they should give you decent advice. If you can’t get them to help you, fill in the blanks you left to the best of your ability. Some questions you won’t be able to answer accurately at all. If you’ve been to the US before, but that was ten years ago, it’s natural to forget the exact dates of your last trip. So put down the year and an approximate month. Tell the assessor that you can’t remember exactly when. There is no point in lying to the assessors about this; they know when you last visited the US - and probably much more besides - already. Don’t lie about other things either. If they catch you, adiós.

This isn’t legal advice, of course. I’m just trying to distill what I know in the hope that the process makes a little bit more sense and that fewer Mexicans are denied entry for no good reason. It might be relevant for people from other countries, but I don’t know for sure. My guess is that it isn’t wrong, but it may focus on things that aren’t relevant to other people. And yeah, I know; I should translate this to Spanish.

Politics.

There is one word to describe all this nonsense: “shameful”. For a variety of reasons that I don’t want to get into right now, I don’t often refer to the US as “my country”. But I felt ashamed that morning outside the embassy, and I feel ashamed - and angry - writing about it now. Given the reprehensible treatment of people who are trying to follow procedures correctly and honestly, it should be no surprise whatsoever that so many Mexicans attempt to enter the US illegally. Many applicants are old people, whose children now live in the US; they want to visit their kids. They’re not wealthy or well-educated, and they didn’t get a member of Congress to support their application, nor did they have access to an immigration specialist. Many of them, undoubtedly, made unimportant errors on their applications and subsequently had their petitions for visas denied, at a non-refundable cost of some $100 USD, which is a lot of money for such people.

Being allowed to go where you want to go is a human right. Aside from the rare person who would present a genuine and predictable danger to people already in the US (this is limited to violent criminals and people with serious communicable diseases, as far as I can see), there is no conceivable reason whatsoever to deny entry to the US to anybody. Some people might have misguided economic ideas, but for the most part it’s racism. Or maybe nationalism or some other word; the point is that discrimination based on country of birth is no less abhorrent than discrimination based on genetics.

Some people will enter the US and attempt to stay there. That’s good for the US! Some people will enter the US, see the sights, go shopping, and return home. That’s also good.

In addition to being dehumanizing, the process is needlessly complex. If it were true, I would just say that governments worldwide make things more complicated than they need be. But it isn’t true. I’ve looked for official documentation about immigration to Canada and the UK. It was easy to find and easy to understand. It was even friendly. I also remember that Australia’s procedures were quite simple, although things may have changed since 1999. A Mexican does not even need a visa to enter Canada; they’re necessary to go to the UK, but they are quick and easy to get.

The actual decision-making process is not, as far as I know, documented anywhere. It seems to be to some extent arbitrary; if your assessor doesn’t like you, tough luck. It have been told that there is an appeals process, although my understanding is that it is not at all transparent and that decisions are rarely overturned.

I don’t think many Americans realize just how badly the US treats foreigners who are trying to do the right thing. I’m sure most would be extremely indignant upon receiving such treatment from other countries.

12 Responses to “visas”

  1. hpj » Blog Archive » How to Get a Visa Says:

    […] Mike has an illuminating account of his wife’s US visa application process over on his activity log. It’s interesting reading and contains some useful tips. Check it out. […]

  2. Joseph Says:

    So how would you change things? Does Canada have the same problem with illegal immigration? Finally, were you a US citizen when you went to .au?

  3. jpl Says:

    “Being allowed to go where you want to go is a human right. ”

    What is your source for this? UN definition of human rights? I’m not saying I don’t agree with this statement, just that this is news to me, and I would really like to see where you get your information from.

    I am an American living in a foreigh country (Brazil), and I had to go through a screening process as well. I had to fill out forms, I had to prove that I was not a criminal in the US, I had to do an interview, I was fingerprinted, I paid fees. I would *never* imagine criticizing Brazil for the rules they created for foreigners entering their country. How could I, I am a guest in this fine country.

  4. admin Says:

    Joseph: I would change things by allowing everybody entry to the United States at any time, for as long as they wish, to do whatever they care to. The only exceptions would be violent people and sick people, as I said.

    As to your second question, mu. Your question depends on a bogus premise, that illegal immigration is a problem. However, it is my understanding that Canada treats foreigners from all over better than the US does, and that, in general, Canada encourages immigration.

    Finally, yes, I was a US citizen. I don’t know how Australia’s immigration policies changed post-September 11; I was already there by that point; certainly Australian politics got very ugly around the time of the Tampa crisis, Sept. 11, and the elections of Nov. 2001. But I ended up leaving not long thereafter and haven’t followed Australian poltics very closely since.

  5. admin Says:

    jbj: Doing what you want to do without hurting other people is a right, even if most governments do not respect it as such; travelling where you want to is a subset of doing what you want to do. I guess I’m my own source. :)

    I had to go through similar when getting my Mexican visa. It was annoying, although I was fortunate in that I had professionals helping me and there was never really any doubt that I’d be granted the visa. I understand entering Mexico is more difficult for people from countries that have similar per-capita wealth or are poorer than Mexico, although I don’t have any firsthand experience.

    Anyway, I was criticizing “my country”, well within my rights.

    I do criticize Mexico all the time, though. What kind of person would I be if I did not? I mean, I’m in this enormous country with so many great things going for it, yet so far from realizing its full potential. I’d be a bad person if I didn’t talk about it.

  6. Carlos Alberto Says:

    Hey,

    I applied for a special visa three weeks ago (for a linux-company event, part of my job), because the dates for normal ones were just too late for me. I requested for an emergency one.

    I got all the things they wanted: the invitation letter to the event, a document specifying my current professional status -working with this company in Mexico-, and some other papers.

    I got a very bad surprise after they didn’t give the visa. You know, it wasn’t even a tourist visa. It was a special visa, with a very small duration -two months, I think-. They didn’t event request my job’s papers. I showed the letter to the event, and answered some stupid questions (I mean, they asked things that were already in the form, such how much money I got, and so on). The only think I can think it’s that they though it was a little “strange” I worked in Mexico for this company (a US based company)., because the man asked me about it two or three times.

    It’s really sad. I mean, it was a super oportunity for me to go there and learn and get experience. I’m not a terrorist, nor a criminal. But you know, a friend of mine just said : “They can give it to you or maybe not. If they are happy, they give it to you. If they are not, they won’t”.

    Being honest, I don’t event want to apply again. You lose the money, but also your time and your plans. It sucks. Finally, it’s also sad to see the big number of persons who don’t get the visa, and have a face of sadness outside the embassy.

  7. Ash Says:

    What you have written is so correct!

    The process is complex, dehumanizing and sometimes humiliating. They have no clue how to tell people apart.

    The person who is going to the Embassy is most likely a genuine fellow. Otherwise, the person who wants to cross into the US by any means, will find a way to do so.

    My parents and my Aunt and Uncle have been rejected for a US visa. My Aunt and Uncle wanted to come here because my cousin was going to have a child. My parents just wanted to come here to visit my brother (a PHd student) and me (then a Masters student).

    All these people are retired and aged 60+ and have hardly ever left their hometown in India. They are so conservative, they would never like to stay here for more than a few months! They dont even appreciate every imported Western custom. I could never force them to stay here… They wouldnt enjoy staying here even if I was a billionaire and give them anything they want! And yet, they are rejected.

    And (sometimes) they give NO explanation why they reject. So how do you apply the next time ?

  8. While I am inclined Says:

    While I am inclined to agree with your post, this point is just obnoxious:

    Some people might have misguided economic ideas, but for the most part it’s racism.

    I agree with open borders, but with all due respect, that’s just name calling. and helps no one.

  9. Figmo Says:

    This comment is only focused on the statement that Canada treats their forieners so much better. From a “been there done that” standpoint I would strongly disagree with this statement. Canada has a policy that if you have been convicted of a crime you must pay a non refundable bond of $250 at the border to gain entry.

    On the surface, this may seem reasonable. They don’t want criminals in their country. Seems like a good rule.

    But in practice it’s just a way to shake people down at the border. My “crime” in the USA was a DUI…..10 years ago! Hardly a danger to the people of Canada. But they still fleeced me of my cash at the border for this. I felt degraded and just plain ripped off. Afterward I couldn’t help ponder the purpose of this “bond”. If I were a criminal would I now not commit my crime just because I paid this fee? If anything, as a criminal I’d be MORE likely to commit a crime. Because now I’m $250 poorer and need the money!

    This was about 10 years ago and I’ve not been back since (and I live in the USA only a hundred miles from the Canadian border). I’ll spend my tourist money elsewhere.

    So all you Canadians can sleep safe at nights. Have no fear. Your border patrol is making sure that only criminals with $250 in their pockets can enter your country.

  10. Paul Says:

    As a Brit in D.F., I needed to renew my travel visa to get back in to the US due to me being rubbish and losing stuff. I got a brand new one with a cursory look at my passport; I had no other docs. I assume on the basis I’m not Mexican!

  11. Penny Says:

    Hi, I’m hoping someone has some knowledge and can help me. I have a friend in Mexico who has an appointment to obtain a Visa for the US. I would be glad to write a letter of support, but would like to know what should be said in the letter. Also, if the Visa is granted, how long does it take to receive it. If you could please let me know, my address is through yahoo; just write to pennyinthedesert Thank you very much.

  12. Hans Petter Jansson Says:

    Here’s an interesting related article, from a US self-interest point of view.

    Apparently, visitor spending is down US$94 billion since 2001. I hope it hurts, because it’s well deserved.

Leave a Reply